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Why the Aussie Pirate Bay ban could have massive collateral damage

Post by NewsBot » 16 Dec 2016, 18:25

Australia's Federal Court this week ordered internet companies to block five file-sharing websites, including well-known torrent hub, The Pirate Bay. As with all things online, however, this isn't a simple task - blocking these few pages will have a massive ripple effect on a number of other (less-notorious) websites.
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Post by Mythor » 16 Dec 2016, 18:47

The issues you described are why it almost certainly won't be implemented as an IP block, at least not by any competent ISP, and they're the ones who have to implement it. It's far more likely to be a form of DNS poisoning, so attempts to go to the website via domain name will instead land you somewhere else, like the suggested "Piracy is bad, m'kay?" splash pages.
Yes, this is trivially circumvented by any reasonably knowledgable person, but the people who just visit the site or use some form of integrated torrent search will likely find the blocked sites will stop working. Any technically minded person will find it easy to circumvent regardless, this is designed to make it inconvenient or impractical for the general public.

It's like when they went after Napster. Techie people knew that wouldn't stop piracy, but it made things a lot harder for casual users, the ones who might pay for things if they no longer had access for free.

Think a lot of techie people are being mislead by the knowledge levels of those around them. Running a DNS server may seem trivial to many in your peer group, but for a lot of people even switching to Google's DNS would likely be beyond their reach. Simply preventing certain domains from resolving properly will cut out more people than you might imagine.

AFAIK no ISP has started blocking The Pirate Bay as yet. It will be interesting to see what happens when they do. :shifty:
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Post by storm84 » 16 Dec 2016, 20:12

It'll be interesting to see how the ban is implemented - whether it's any different to other sites that are currently blocked, and whether there will be any unintended consequences. At this stage, we don't have any details.
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Post by paapicholoo » 17 Dec 2016, 19:07

what I understand its going to be a DNS block so just use googles public DNS 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 or one of the many other open dns options and you can always get a VPN like PureVPN (https://www.purevpn.com) or Ivacy (https://www.Ivacy.com). but im sure that we can still access torrent so easily
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Re: Why the Aussie Pirate Bay ban could have massive collateral damage

Post by Submariner » 18 Dec 2016, 13:29

Check DNS speeds and find more :

https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm
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Post by bender » 18 Dec 2016, 22:50

You could simply use a Tor browser to access the blocked websites and obtain a torrent file. This will work regardless of the blocking method used (DNS poisoning or IP blocking). All it takes is a simple install. If you can use a torrent program, you can use the tor browser. There is practically no barrier.

So, site blocking might work initially, but all it will take is a few guides showing people the various methods to get around the blocking. It will become common knowledge and become virtually pointless.
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Post by paapicholoo » 20 Dec 2016, 00:20

bender wrote:You could simply use a Tor browser to access the blocked websites and obtain a torrent file. This will work regardless of the blocking method used (DNS poisoning or IP blocking). All it takes is a simple install. If you can use a torrent program, you can use the tor browser. There is practically no barrier.

So, site blocking might work initially, but all it will take is a few guides showing people the various methods to get around the blocking. It will become common knowledge and become virtually pointless.
I never used Tor though but would consider it
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Post by Mythor » 21 Dec 2016, 09:55

:wave: Kingsley. Told you so. :P

Alice Workman from BuzzFeed tweeted this yesterday. Endless entertainment. :whistle:
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Post by Submariner » 21 Dec 2016, 11:41

If the blocking does not work, then the civil cases? Metadata the gift that keeps giving.
The federal government is considering whether to exercise its powers to make the personal data stored under the nation's data retention scheme open for use in civil litigation.

Concerns were raised at the time the scheme came into play that it could be used in civil cases, specifically to help rights holders chase copyright infringers

The government strongly denied the scheme could be used to hunt down pirates, despite Telstra telling the Attorney-General's Department that it fully expected to receive requests for the metadata for use in civil cases.
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/the-govt- ... its-445476

Submissions end 13th Jan:
https://www.ag.gov.au/Consultations/Pag ... dings.aspx
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Post by Sathias » 22 Dec 2016, 09:08

^ This fucking government :roll:
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Post by bender » 22 Dec 2016, 16:33

Another reason to use a VPN or Tor.
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Post by GamingKen » 23 Dec 2016, 04:05

Let the game of whack-a-mole commence!
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Post by storm84 » 23 Dec 2016, 07:56

bender wrote:Another reason to use a VPN or Tor.
If you were pirating, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't be VPNing already, seeing as both the government and private industry is collecting your metadata.
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Post by kharis » 23 Dec 2016, 08:26

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Just testing i havent actually used the pirate bay in a while. There are better places
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Post by Stoibs » 23 Dec 2016, 08:52

^ Oh so that is live now is it?
Didn't notice as I can still access it on my end at the moment.
(Not that I use that mind you... prefer zooqle :lol: )
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Re: Why the Aussie Pirate Bay ban could have massive collateral damage

Post by Submariner » 23 Dec 2016, 09:36

Never use it, but tried thepiratebay.org and it is working with Internode.

Must be taking some time to do the Internode landing page ;)
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Re: Why the Aussie Pirate Bay ban could have massive collateral damage

Post by Dibbles » 23 Dec 2016, 16:19

Still works for TPG... I find this hilarious given TPG owns both iiNet & Internode. Surely would you have thought they'd just use 1 system for all 3 businesses
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