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Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 13:35
by Sathias
Hi everyone

I've been thinking about different ways to make STR/2hander builds viable, so thinking of making a Double-sided Weapon build, as I've never made one... threw together the below build to take advantage of Double Sided Momentum and some of the Two-Weapon Defense builds. Does this look viable? Any suggestions re changes/optimisations? I've never played a Ranger before either so if anyone has any info on good Favoured Enemies that would be useful also :)

Ranger(28), Bard(2), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Human (Tiefling)

STR: 16 (36)
DEX: 18 (19)
CON: 12 (14)
WIS: 14
INT: 10 (12)
CHA: 8 (10)

Human: (Quick to Master)
01: Ranger(1): Weapon Proficiency Exotic, Weapon Focus: Double Axe, Favored Enemy: Undeads, {Dual Wield}
02: Ranger(2)
03: Ranger(3): Two Weapon Defense
04: Ranger(4): STR+1, (STR=17)
05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Outsiders
06: Ranger(6): Improved Two Weapon Defense
07: Ranger(7)
08: Ranger(8): STR+1, (STR=18)
09: Ranger(9): Double Sided Momentum, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting}
10: Ranger(10): Favored Enemy: Dragons
11: Ranger(11)
12: Ranger(12): STR+1, Improved Critical: Double Axe, (STR=19)
13: Ranger(13)
14: Ranger(14)
15: Ranger(15): Greater Two Weapon Fighting, Favored Enemy: Elementals
16: Ranger(16): STR+1, (STR=20)
17: Ranger(17)
18: Ranger(18): Toughness
19: Ranger(19)
20: Ranger(20): STR+1, Favored Enemy: Constructs, (STR=21)
21: Ranger(21): Bane of Enemies
22: Bard(1)
23: Red Dragon Disciple(1)
24: Red Dragon Disciple(2): DEX+1, Epic Two Weapon Defense, (STR=23), (DEX=19)
25: Red Dragon Disciple(3)
26: Red Dragon Disciple(4): (STR=25)
27: Red Dragon Disciple(5): Epic Weapon Focus: Double Axe
28: Red Dragon Disciple(6): STR+1, (STR=26)
29: Red Dragon Disciple(7): (CON=14)
30: Red Dragon Disciple(8): Armor Skin
31: Red Dragon Disciple(9): (INT=12)
32: Red Dragon Disciple(10): STR+1, {Darkvision}, (STR=31), (CHA=10)
33: Ranger(22): Great Strength I, (STR=32)
34: Ranger(23): Epic Toughness I
35: Ranger(24)
36: Ranger(25): STR+1, Great Strength II, Favored Enemy: Aberrations, (STR=34)
37: Ranger(26): Epic Prowess
38: Ranger(27)
39: Ranger(28): Great Strength III, (STR=35)
40: Bard(2): STR+1, (STR=36)
Mythic Feats: Primal Defender, Elemental Immunity, Extra Attack

Skills: Tumble 40, UMD 25, Hide 43, Move Silently 43, Discipline 43

edit: updated with tweaked build

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 14:02
by André Axe'm
Can't see anything obviously wrong.
Are you going Dragon Disciple for any particular reason?
I tend to pick Favoured Enemies that are immune to crits, or are rather tough. I'd probably avoid Animals, as those aren't usually an issue, and they are split into Animals, Vermin, Beasts and Magical Beasts. Maybe Elementals instead?

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 14:52
by Sathias
I figured the extra stats could be useful due to having to split between Str and Dex

Good call on elementals :) Are abberations worth it?

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 17:02
by southead
I agree with Andree, I would also drop Abberations and go with Constructs. Other than that, Nice build!

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 17:23
by Sathias
I have Constructs at level 20 :) I guess the only other thing I will need to decide is whether to stick with the Double Axe for x3 crits, or go with the Two-bladed Sword and bigger crit range :)

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 17:38
by Alkarl
I've got a couple of double sided momentum builds around if you want to see them.

Probably take Ranger at level 21 and pick up Bane of Enemies then... it's a good feat but as long as it's in there somewhere it should be fine.

For Favoured Enemies I'd use Undead, Outsiders, Dragons, Elementals, Constructs (these are the big five and you generally start running into them in that order) then maybe Aberrations after that.

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 18:14
by Sathias
Yeah that's a good plan Alkarl, shuffled a few feats around :)

Thanks for the advice everyone ;)

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 06 Apr 2019, 01:19
by Fraggermuffin
What's your AC going to look like? I'd guess it might be too low and without any Concealment, Crit Immunity, DR or Epic Dodge you're probably going to be a bit squishy. I guess it depends on what you mean by viable.

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 06 Apr 2019, 09:03
by Sathias
Hmmm interesting point... I'll have the Concealment from Improved Invisibility, that might not be enough though.

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 07 Apr 2019, 13:27
by André Axe'm
4 AC from Dragon Disciple, Imp Invis from Ranger, and Epic Two Weapon Defence shouldn't be too squishy.

Re: Double Sided Momentum build?

Posted: 07 Apr 2019, 14:16
by Sathias
12 Vamp Regen from Primal Defender won't go astray either :)